This time [specifies Babs] I’m taking a break from Jazz and Blues, and instead looking at a long-time Prog Rock Favorite of mine.
Many
of you may know the band Ambrosia, from their late 70s and early 80s
slickly produced Yacht Rock/blue-eyed soul/soft rock hits below.
"(That's) How Much I Feel”
"You're the Only Woman”
"Biggest Part of Me”
While
the above videos may or may not be to your taste, they are fairly
harmless pieces of catchy fluff, with radio-friendly melodies, and
aren’t bad by Soft Rock standards.
But did you know that
Ambrosia started out as a Prog Rock band? Or that Ambrosia’s first
eponymous titled album was mixed by Alan Parsons? Also, all four members
of Ambrosia played on the first Alan Parsons Project album, “Tales of
Mystery and Imagination”.
I came across Ambrosia one day in 1975, on FM radio, when I switched on my radio and heard:
Oh, a whirling dervish and a dancing bear
Or a Ginger Rogers and a Fred Astaire
Or a teenage rocker or the girls in France
Yes, we all are partners in this cosmic dance
I thought to myself, “Where have I heard that before?” Then the chorus came in with:
Nice, nice, very nice
Nice, nice, very nice
So many people in the same device
And then it hit me, it was from Kurt Vonnegut’s book “Cat’s Cradle”! The next day, I went to my local record store and bought it.
Myself, I have an ambivalent relationship with Prog Rock.
On the plus side: the musicianship is often amazing, and the production is often just great.
On the downside: many times, it is overblown, pretentious, self-indulgent and just plain boring.
In the 1970s, I saw Keith Emerson driving knives into his Hammond organ and riding it like a rodeo bull, while Greg Lake played bass stood on his own private patch of Persian rug, and Carl Palmer played a seventy-eight-piece drum kit. Later in the show, Keith Emerson and his piano were lifted into the air, and did somersaults like it was some sort of amusement park ride. Other Emerson, Lake & Palmer (a name better suited to a law firm) shows I saw featured an orchestra, and a choir. All of which was very entertaining.
I’ve seen Yes several times, in one particular show, Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe and Chris Squire got into a loudness war, with all three trying to drown each other out, and in doing so completely made Jon Anderson’s castrato vocals inaudible. I’ve sat through a live rendition of Yes’s Tales From Topographic Oceans, an experience which to me was unintelligible and close to unbearable, like being read aloud a lengthy passage of prose with no verbs in it. That said, the musicianship was excellent.
I’ve been totally bored several times by King Crimson shows, which incidentally I seemed to be the only female audience member. But, I love their records.
I’ve seen Pink Floyd’s 'Meddle', 'Dark Side Of The Moon', 'Wish You Were Here' and 'Animals' tours, which were constantly excellent. Pink Floyd might be the most popular Prog Rock band of all time, but I’ve always thought they lacked sufficient technical proficiency, and therefore not really Prog Rock at all (as always, your mileage may vary).
A friend of mine, once, jokingly told me:
“There was a time in my life when I considered the virtuoso thunder of Yes, Genesis, and my favorite, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer to be the greatest music on earth…. Then I turned 15.”
Ambrosia’s second album titled “Somewhere I've Never Travelled” released in 1976, was also Prog Rock, produced by Alan Parsons, and sold poorly. So in the late 70s and early 80s, they went strictly commercial, as did many other Prog Rock bands.
Genesis, having lost ultra-arty frontman Peter Gabriel, turned out to have been incubating an enormous pop star in Phil Collins.
King Crimson’s Robert Fripp achieved a furious pop relevance by, as he described it, “Spraying burning guitar all over David Bowie’s album”—the album in question being 1980s Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps).
Yes hit big in 1983 with the genderless cocaine-frost [Blimey! - Ed.] of “Owner of a Lonely Heart.”
So here’s Ambrosia’s first eponymous titled album, from 1975 with David Pack on guitar, lead and backing vocals, Christopher North on keyboards and backing vocals, Joe Puerta on bass, lead and backing vocals and Burleigh Drummond on drums, backing vocals, percussion, and bassoon.
Also, the album was nominated for a Grammy Award for Best Engineered Recording (other than Classical), so needless to say, it sounds excellent.
Enjoy!
Girlie-prog, but I ain't complaining, as it was not being a purist that got me my formative flumbings with cheese-clothed nymphets back in the 70s. Tonsil-hockey and blue-balls only, but it was worth it.
ReplyDeleteWould it be fair to call french kissing, that leads to epididymal hypertension: Balles Bleues?
DeleteIf the girls had been French, definitely.
DeleteTo qualify for Ambrosia’s first album, tell us about records/CDs you thought you were going to like, but left you feeling disappointed.
ReplyDeleteAll these years I'd thought that Yes chart-buster was "Owner of a Parking Lot." Thank you for clearing that up. It's also a treat to find survivors of the Isle washed up on another shore — washed up in a good way, I mean. As for disappointing purchases, nothing will ever top the heartbreak of first listening to every single one of the post-Mad Shadows Mott the Hoople records. I'd sworn undying allegance to the band, but what I really loved were those first two records. Story of my life.
ReplyDeleteI sort of agree, although I'd extend the "good" Mott a little further up to and including the last album with Mick Ralphs.
DeleteGood to see you here "Anonymous" - do you have a name?
DeleteI 'll be quite frank, I tried to give the Hole an IoF vibe, although I'm no Farq - just a bit of a silly Farquer.
Anonymous - Kuddos on "Owner of a Parking Lot"!
DeleteShades of "Weird Al" Yankovic.
Disappointing albums?
ReplyDeleteEverything the Who did after "My Generation".
yes. whos next was the final blow for me. too much synthy business.
DeleteI know a lot of folks will grumble, but I was really put off by the Stones "Exile On Main Street", particularly after the magnificence of "Sticky Fingers". Exile seemed unfinished, boring even, and marked the Stones transition to simply working a riff instead of actually creating complete songs. That only got worse in the years following.
ReplyDeleteAgreed, but "Exile" grew on me.
Deleteabsolutely right. A very over-rated album.
DeleteThere's a case to be made for Exile being a great single album, after some judicious editing. Goat's Head Soup is a stunner!
DeleteOpinion...uh...fourthed. I never got the fuss for "Exile", which was supposed to be this big classic. It sounds like ass and there is a hit to miss ratio which is not in the Stones' favor.
DeleteI was a big fan of Steve Hillages solo work after he left Gong. His first five studio albums were all great, then in 1979 Live Herald a great live compilation. At the end of the year Open was a bit of a disappointment but ok, a year or so later For To Next and And Not Or, single albums released simultaneously featuring lots of synthetic computer sounds, I thought was bloody awful, probably only played them a couple of times.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, awful. "Serotonin" and "Still Golden" marginally better.
DeleteYes they're quite good tracks, but drums too synthetic and loud.
DeleteHillage on BBC tv below 1976, you can almost smell the Patchouli.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw9wq1RjEQ8
Bob Dylan's "Self Portrait", or as I like to call it: "Bland on Bland". Some, Dylanphiles, claimed it was not good on purpose (so, I'm supposed to buy and like an album that's "not good on purpose"?) While others claimed he was trying to shed his "spokesman of a generation" image. For the record (all puns intended): In the 60s, Dylan spoke "to me", but not for me. "Self Portrait" does have its moments, but they're few and far between.
ReplyDeletei think the thing that sometimes we forget is that dylan is a dick. it's his nature. he has a happy time pissing people off and using their loving expectations as a means to that end.
DeleteBeatles first album was great - all downhill from there.
ReplyDeleteWhich first album did you have? "Please Please Me" "Introducing... The Beatles" or "Meet the Beatles!"
DeleteBabs love the quote “There was a time in my life when I considered the virtuoso thunder of Yes, Genesis, and my favorite, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer to be the greatest music on earth…. Then I turned 15.”
ReplyDeleteBut good golly Babs, you've seen some amazing bands, that I could only dream of seeing when I was a 15 year old. I did grow up a bit after I probably got to 18 (I was a slow developer), however for nostalgia I'll still dig out Brain Salad Surgery, Close to The Edge or Animals, and enjoy them. In many ways the first few Collins fronted albums are my favorites by Genesis, but I never saw any of these bands in their heyday.
I was in my twenties, in the early to mid-1970s (Prog Rock’s heyday), when I saw all those shows. Most concerts cost $3.50 - $5.00, which at the time was affordable. In 1972, I paid $6.50 to see the Rolling Stones, which at the time was considered expensive.
DeleteHere's the link for Ambrosia
ReplyDeletehttps://mega.nz/file/MH0VhJKb#IdKmtv9jR7oHTfF2QmDnTqc-BVFI_358Ob2DB5kfNxk
Thank you for this album, sounds pretty cool! I was not familiar at all with Ambrosia, never being much of a prog rock fan anyway. King Crimson’s Discipline made an impact on me though, still a great album.
Deleteart58koen, I agree about Discipline, it is their most accessible album. If you play any of their previous albums, they sound like a completely different band, which I suppose they were, despite Fripp playing on them.
DeleteSo I discovered much later! I guess having Adrian Belew on board contributed a lot for the new direction.
DeleteFlac. [Sob.]
DeleteMr Grimsdale, if you want to convert from flac to something else (mp3), there are plenty of freeware progs, I use Switch for Mac, very easy to use and FREE, I'm sure there are pc ones too. Sorry if I've misinterpreted your message.
DeleteVLC Media Player makes flac to mp3 very easy. It's for PC.
DeleteMediaHuman Audio Converter, works well.
Delete@art58koen - You're welcome.
Delete@Mr. Grimsdale - Use this link for 320kbps:
https://mega.nz/file/0KNXVDCY#s8mg4vi8YcxqxLnUevUuT--HnH1DWgE80k7Ufqz0eRM
Thank you so much. Some things are a bit new-fangled for me.
DeleteGreat Prog/Pop music thank you - I love the title track to their LP "Life Beyond L.A."
DeleteIt took me a long time to turn to prog rock as they have everything that I normally hate in music.
ReplyDeleteI've come around to some of it, while some stuff from all the usual suspects still makes me shudder...
By the way, how about Styx as another group that is now pretty much exclusively known as an AOR/arena rock group but were pretty proggish in their early days...
LADY. jesus.
DeleteI'll rather prefer thai styx.
DeleteAt Bangkok’s Tower Records I spotted Canned Heat – The Ties That Bind (1997] with the blurb ’including the last recordings with Alan Wilson’, which made me buy it buy it on the spot despite the high price... It turned out to be some sessions for an unreleased album which sounded pretty tired to me and the 4 bonus Alan Wilson tracks were mediocre live songs with him playing guitar, no vocals... Very disappointing!
ReplyDeleteBabs' text brings up an interesting question, though:
ReplyDeleteIs prog rock defined by the instrumental prowess and proficiency of the group (as Babs' text would imply) or by the signifiers of the music itself (extended running times, prolonged instrumental sections, difficult/varied time signatures, lyrical emphasis on "cosmic concerns")
Please discuss.
Or don't.
Prog rock is defined by being bombastic, overblown, over-long and pompous. Sometimes that can be great e.g. ELP's take on "Fanfare for the common man". But usually it's an absolute brainache (for me anyway) e.g. anything by the Enid, Genesis, Yes, Steve Hillage, and on and on and on.
DeleteYou say "bombastic, overblown, over-long and pompous" as if it's a bad thing.
DeleteI think the first time I heard Return To Forever I thought it was prog rock. Turns out jazz fusion shares a lot with prog but they tend to stay clear of any lyrics. I blame Brand X... they looked like prog, smelt like prog, but was it prog? I don't know, but I really liked their first four albums.
DeleteI always think of prog as being less about improv and more about composition and arrangement. If you're playing a 12 minute piece with lots of different sections and time sigs, you're probably not putting in that much improv. If you put in a lot of improv, it's not generally all that proggy.
DeleteDisappointment always followed after buying any album which turned out to be "updated" versions of originals by bands where the members had changed again and again - Marmalade and Sweet are two that spring to mind.
ReplyDeleteDisappointment without learning the lesson always followed when buying any Elton John album after "Captain Fantastic" - usually only one decent effort per album. The exception being his "Victim of Love" album which had no redeeming features at all - why is it you can't get your money back when an album is simply awful?
Lastly (for now anyway), great disappointment when taking the plunge with artists I was either discovering for myself or had had it earnestly browbeaten into me by so-called mates: Yes - on topic! - "Tales of Topographic Oceans". Oh dearie me, noodling nonsense.
Worst ever purchase though was The Beatles "Live at the Star Club". Yes, okay, I should have known better but I was just a kid. Awful. Like listening to a radio through a tin can at the end of a length of string. A moneymaker for somebody but a complete earache for me.
As a keen inspector of charity shop CDs (often now 3 for a pound), I see that Elton's "Songs from the West Coast" is a regular inhabitat, along with hard-Fi, Jamie Cullum's "Twentysomething", and mid-period Simply Red. I suspect if all the good songs Elton has recorded since "Captain Fantastic" were put together, it would produce a great single CD. This is common to artists who were big in the 70s. It's the subsequern 40 to 50 years that have been problematic.
ReplyDeleteThe stuff on CD that turns up in charity shops is a genre in itself. I've found the odd unexpected gem but mostly it's Take That reunions and stuff so pedestrian I can't even recall.
DeleteThanks for Ambrosia, sounds good on first listen, a bit polished for my liking, may be a grower.
ReplyDeleteMy pleasure, Bambi.
DeleteBabs - sorry to go off topic but I need to get hold of a copy of Blind Blake's West Coast Blues and who else wojld I ask!
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/7GDMm5P48wo
for reasons I may eventually post about, when I feel up to it. Can you recommend the best quality recording/restoration (your speciality I know!) .
If you have a compilation of his stuff with it on I would love to have it, but will equally go out and buy it, I just really wanted some guidance to get the right one.
Nobby - This is the best sounding Blind Blake comp available, and it has "West Coast Blues".
Deletehttps://mega.nz/file/NbMnGJoJ#nMz6tteE8Kk0qwIVo-S-3gh3StQaHM6jNRqCLJSLQ40
Babs, you are a true star, thank you so much, I will be back to explain all at some point, but to put it simply my wife sadly died nine days ago and I just discovered off an old schoolfriend of hers that this track had featured in her teenage years!
DeleteThanks again and also to Steve and apolgies for jumping in. See you soon.
Truly sorry to hear this, Nobby - I send my deepest and sincerest condolences.
DeletePlease don't apologise for "jumping in". It's not jumping in at all. If this is to develop into something a bit more than a music blog, then it's the people who'll take it on. That means sharing with and caring for each other in whatever way is possible, albeit remotely.
You're among friends here and if I can help in any way whatsoever, please don't hesitate. Contact me here: themajorshole(at)mail.com
Steve
Oh man. Sorry to hear it, Nobby. My condolences.
DeleteCondolences, Nobby. God rest her and keep you.
DeleteNobby - We both know that there is nothing I can say right now that would ease your pain even the slightest. Speaking from experience, all I can offer you is this simple reminder to hold onto the happy memories…your wife may be gone, but those happy memories will last forever.
DeleteThanks all, greatly appreciated. I will return.
DeleteI think we've all been missing your Fine Old English Gentlemanly presence for awhile. The news of your wife's passing is a cause for sorrow, even among people who have never met Nobby or Mrs. Nobby. As Steve said, you're among friends here.
DeleteMay the music be a balm to soothe the pain of loss.
Love the new blog. I hope you don't mind that I will push back on the various Who comments. Although Tommy is overrated, the Who produced first rate music from their beginnings through at least the By Numbers album. Obviously, a minority opinion to readers and purveyors of this blog.
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