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Sunday, 2 April 2023

Unspeakable Chat GPT

Another guest post from Koen. If anyone else fancies writing one, fill yer boots!
 
Recently I was contemplating doing a post on Hal Willner (which still might happen) and noticed one of his frequent collaborators was guitarist Bill Frisell (*).
 
Bill (not with Hal Willner) 

When I just started building a CD collection I got an ECM collection featuring Bill and that was (& still is) highly listenable.

But once Bill started exploring Americana he really got my attention and when I managed to get my hands on a promo edition of his 2004 Unspeakable album, wow, brilliant! On this particular album, Hal  Willner has a prominent role, not only as a producer but also as a musician: on turntables! No scratching, but he provides occasionally obscure samples which steer the album to different heights!
 
 





I dug around for some reviews and related stuff but also decided to give Chat GPT a try and the results were remarkable, to say the least.

Nowadays the writing resembles Wikipedia texts, grammatically correct, rather bland, and (you would expect!) factual…

This was quite an eye-opener, have a look:
1. Bill Frisell's album "Unspeakable," which was released in 2004, was produced by Hal Willner and features turntable contributions from DJ Logic. The turntables are used throughout the album to provide scratching and other effects, adding an element of hip-hop and electronic music to the otherwise acoustic sound of Frisell's guitar. The use of turntables was a departure from Frisell's previous albums, and it helped to create a unique sonic landscape for the music.
Uh.., DJ Logic doesn’t perform on this album, and neither is there any scratching!

2. The album features a range of musical styles, including jazz, folk, and experimental music, and includes collaborations with several musicians, such as Viktor Krauss and Greg Leisz.
Uh.., not on this album!

3. Bill Frisell's album "Unspeakable" incorporates various samples throughout its tracks, adding to the album's eclectic sound. Here are a few examples of samples used on the album:
1. The track "1968" includes a sample of a speech by civil rights activist Stokely Carmichael.
2. The track "Baba Drame" features a sample of West African music, which was recorded by Frisell during a trip to Mali.
3. The track "Unspeakable" incorporates a sample of a recording of a Native American chant.
4. The track "Out of Body" includes a sample of a NASA recording of radio signals from outer space.
These samples, along with the use of turntables and other electronic effects, give "Unspeakable" a unique and innovative sound that blends a range of musical styles and influences.

Uh.., 1968 has no samples whatsoever! The songs mentioned in 2-4 are not even on this album…

4. (Chat GPT gave me a new option) One example of a sample used on the album is the spoken word sample from the movie "The Manchurian Candidate" on the track "1968." The sample features a monologue by the character Raymond Shaw, played by actor Laurence Harvey, discussing the power of suggestion and manipulation.
Uh.., sounds impressive but it's total rubbish!

After that, I gave up on Chat GPT…
Despite all that nonsense Unspeakable is a great album and to get a freshly ripped copy please let us know if you’re familiar with Bill and what’s your favorite album/track(s).
(*) https://www.allaboutjazz.com/bill-frisell-40-years-friendship-music-mischief-hal-willner

I searched for a decent photo of Bill & Hal together but strangely enough can't find anything...

21 comments:

  1. I first heard him with Jan Garbarek on 'Wayfarer' (1983) and was totally smitten. Just a month or so later I heard him on excerpts from Marc Johnson's newly-released 'Bass Desires' (1986) and played the naff static-burst-punctuated mono-tape of Charles Fox's old R3 Monday night show to death until I got the LP. Saw him with John Zorn's Naked City in Liverpool 1989, and with his own trio in Manchester 1990 (the cellist was absent). Tremendous. He does great things on Lyle Mays' solo debut too.
    Just the other day I was listening to his BF Band at Moers in 1988 and marvelling at how good his stuff used to be.

    I have to say that since then I've come to avoid things he's on eg Andrew Cyrille having him in his recent dates turned me right off. The Americana-bound trajectory fitted well with his sound back then, but I have the impression it's all he does now.

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    1. Fave track? If I had to pick one it'd be his nervy solo on 'Pendulum' from 'Wayfarer'.

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  2. Oops, forgot to say I saw his 'Have A Little Faith' tour in Jan 1993. Clinton was being inaugurated as POTUS that very day, which he marked by playing his own number, 'Jimmy Carter'.

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  3. Unfortunately I never saw him live...

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  4. I first heard BF sometime in the 1980s after reading about him in Guitar Player magazine. I bought the album he made with Vernon Reid - "Smash & Scatteration". It took me a very long while to get into it!

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  5. A video of Bill explaining his approach to the guitar. This is the first of five parts.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Bh92SBFJE

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  6. You might also enjoy his tribute to classic instrumentals from the 50s & 60s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtiT-lEkcNY

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  7. Sad news. RIP Ryuichi Sakamoto.
    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2023/apr/02/ryuichi-sakamoto-japanese-pop-pioneer-and-oscar-winning-composer-dies-aged-71

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    1. Sorry to hear that, it shows again that cancer is still a killer disease...

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  8. "Uh.., sounds impressive but it's total rubbish!"
    i think that is the webster definition of "bullshit"

    the gypper happens to be spot on.
    my dog spot wrote that review/spew.
    it is impossible to tell ai yi yi from a "human" as the current state of music criticism is nothing but "bullshit". everything from ny times to pitchfuck is currently written by stupid shits who sound like they have never even listened to what they are writing about. rap and hip hop reviews by people who don't listen to the music except to review it. i don't care for either one so why would you expect a knowledgeable opinion from me?

    80-year-old critics pretending an astute view of edm !!??
    i think lumbago disqualifies you.

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  9. As per Bill Frisell, I really enjoy Kramer featuring Bill Frisell – The Brill Building, Book Two.

    As per Chat GPT, I tried it once on a lark. The information was totally inaccurrate, musicians & songs not on the release, invalid description of both production & content, complete shite.

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  10. Richard Hell invited Bill Frisell, Marc Ribot and Ivan Julian to add new guitar parts to the 2009 release "Destiny Street Repaired", an update of Hell's 1982 "Destiny Street" album.

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    1. I forgot Bill was on Repaired. Listen to it often, always good.

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  11. Bill has collaborated with so many different musicians over the years, quite amazing really!

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  12. Two favorites:
    Bill with Ginger Baker and bassist Charlie Haden on 'Going Back Home'
    https://workupload.com/file/vnTRgvUT8GS

    Bill with bassist Thomas Morgan on 'Epistrophy' recorded live at the Village Vanguard.
    https://workupload.com/file/dk8WAJ6H3Sy



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    1. Thank you so much Babs!
      'Going Back Home' I have, but the live at the Village Vanguard session not!

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    2. You are more than welcome, Koen.
      Enjoy!

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  13. I prefer his edgier stuff. Like the early trio or band, even Naked City. Joey Baron is a force.

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  14. Here's Bill's Unspeakable freshly ripped + artwork + reviews + a live bonus track, but More to follow!
    https://mega.nz/file/2ElVkDSA#6CPKR9NU9aij3Ut6XThzgPzE23_jX9N_ccLLjrx4nac

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  15. And here's Bill with Paul Motion, Arild Andersen, Marc Johnson, a.o., a selection of his early work and collaborations at ECM in the 80s:
    https://mega.nz/file/uZNVwAyD#AQmWeteEnvjcm7tWPyKQ0kQrcqsJ_9__pyYOTLwvCrA

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  16. The last one: Bill Frisell on the Side!.
    A homemade 35 song collection of various collaborations with among others Elvis Costello, Dale Bruning, Vinicius Cantuaria, Jerry Granelli, John Zorn, Lee Konitz, Petra Haden, Mike Stern, McCoy Tyner, and many more.
    https://mega.nz/file/vU9n2KBJ#dk7ycm2mLtIrBgcc7O86uAPFtMJab3VFd4nZmsW3Quk

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